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It is obvious that science and Christians will never share the same beliefs. Having said that, the Pope is currently encouraging Christians to believe that evolution and creationism can go hand-in-hand. This is a bitter pill to swallow for true believers in "God created the heavens and the Earth."

In my other blog, I brought up the naturalist theory. I touched on the fact that naturalism cannot describe how we process thoughts. As Socrates stated "the naturalist approach to reality has difficulty explaining behavior that has purpose." (Stewart, p. 288). The thought process, what is right and wrong, and what we do with that knowledge cannot be explained by the naturalist theory. Doctors don't know the true workings of the brain or the body (trust me, I know first hand). So the science isn't all there. Yet, many people rely on science to tell them how dinosaurs adapted and how we all came from apes. Many people are willing to take that because it is science and it can be proved by carbon dating and many other tools they say they have. But how is this any more true than the creationism theory?

As you can see, I'm the subjective believer and don't need concrete proof. I just know He's up there and watching me. Trust me, I have my days when I feel alone and abandoned, but I know He wouldn't do that. He's just waiting for the right time to show me the answer.
Molly Goodman Comment by Molly Goodman on November 13, 2009 at 3:42pm
What do you think inspired this idea by the Pope? Since the beginning of time "the church" has always preached that the world and it's people were created by God. Why the sudden change of heart? How can they, all of sudden, justify this new idea. I am interested to hear the research you've done and the findings.

God created Heaven and Earth is responsible for all of the development of His people. He is "up there" watching over us and waiting for the perfect time to bring us to his Kingdom and give us eternal life.
Jeff H Comment by Jeff H on November 13, 2009 at 6:36pm
Actually the position of the Pope as expressed in the Catholic Encyclopedia boils down to the a statement that we don't know the method God used, just that God did it. I worshipped as a Catholic throughout my childhood, moving away from their teaching later, as I studied more.
doug Comment by doug on November 13, 2009 at 7:21pm
I read about this before...in the newspapers. I concur with Jeff and have the same basic background as far as having grown up Catholic, until my 20's. I think it just comes down to indicating that the pope just doesn't know that much about the topic (and also has uninformed advisors) and that he is basically siding with "main stream" science that only purports to teach the truth on this subject. So the pope is capitulating.

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