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The wind and the three buddhist monks and non linear dynamic systems. How the hell does that work.or does it.

As the story goes as I remember it one day there were two monks watching a flag carrying on a conversation. The master was walking by and the two monks asked the master to determine which one was right. One monk said that he thought the "wind is moving the flag", the other monk said that he thought the "the flag is moving the wind". The master looked at them both and said it is neither, it is your mind that is moving.

I'm going to add a bit to that thought and say it's wind, the flag, and ones mind all moving together at the same time. I also might add, you ever notice how there is never a female in these conversations in Buddhism.

I simply look at the brain as a non linear dynamic system, inside a non linear dynamic system inside a non linear dynamic system where at the deepest levels there is no beginning or end. A sort of windstorm, inside a windstorm, inside a windstorm, inside a windstorm up the scale. Because of the intrinsic nature of reality of being infinite in and of itself there needs to be no control because there is no beginning or end there is just change. Wrapping around and closing this down or perceiving that control is happening from outside when in fact no control is intrinsic. I might add this sort of wreaks the idea of random as being valid as well.

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Jim G Comment by Jim G on November 29, 2009 at 11:09am
Too deep for my fishing line. But I remember seeing a horse in a large corral during a native american pow wow (the native americans were visiting, it was just a ranch in the mountains near the pow wow,) with the wind blowing. But it seemed to me the horse's spirit remembered the old days' old ways, as it seemed to be affected by the drumming and singing in a way that wasn't just because of the drumming and singing. So I would guess the horse's genes have a memory from way back when, and we call that the horse's spirit.
Jim G Comment by Jim G on November 29, 2009 at 11:11am
Well I guess my point was, does wind have a memory as well -- does wind have a spirit?

I'm just being creative and going with the yo. I don't know if there is anything to this.
James S Saint Comment by James S Saint on November 29, 2009 at 11:30am
"As the story goes as I remember it one day there were two monks watching a flag carrying on a conversation."

I'm still back back at "watching the flag carrying on a conversation". ]:?{
david thurman Comment by david thurman on November 29, 2009 at 12:48pm
LOL I did write that a bit oddly, but you're a smart guy aren't you?...>D
david thurman Comment by david thurman on November 29, 2009 at 12:54pm
Well I guess my point was, does wind have a memory as well -- does wind have a spirit?
I might say what isn't spirit and what is spirit. More importantly we see divisions where there aren't any as being definitively. I again flip back into what Roman said earlier about non action as being action as well. that's a fairly encompassing view. It sort of snapped me into place just a bit, to a laughable point, it is what it is...LOL Absolutely no help in any descriptive way but, I'm taking my daughters on a walk on the beach then we are playing with stained glass later this afternoon, and probably in the schema of things these are the important things in life. Far more important that what anyone ends up concluding here.
Jim G Comment by Jim G on November 29, 2009 at 11:40pm
Correct IMHO David r.e. cover all your values. But if all of our mental gymastics, however professional or amateur they may be, just end up building relationships, that is a good thing. Regarding non action being action, I guess if you refrain from small talk, or at least from talk that is not authentically something you would say, that is a good example, a different kind of action. Kind of like fasting is action. Religion must be one of our values or we would not be here. And friendship is one of my values also. So I'm covering two values when I'm here.
Jim G Comment by Jim G on November 29, 2009 at 11:52pm
Oh I have a value of fun also. That is also covered here, as it can be kind of fun. My other values -- I had eight that I recorded last year to make sure I was spending time on my values. Friends, fun, family, spirituality, health, lifelong learning (another one I hit on here at RG.com,) financial freedom (cough, cough, doesn't seem like I'm doing real good on that one,) and I couldn't remember the eight one until I looked it up -- abundance. Abundance must have been pounded into us in the class I took at Rel. Sci.

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