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Kernel, I mean to state that this is largely the arena that higher education has slowly entrenched intself in. And this has now also become the same arena that "lower" education has also joined. Open mindedness is what education theoretically aimed…
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David Bee, As a Ph D in Chemistry myself, I would like to respond to what you indicate your friend has said. His definition of science is the ideal, and it is far from what is actually undertaken or practised in a variety of scientific arenas, espe…
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Thank you, Jeff. Thank you, my brother in the Lord. ...doug
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dt, Thankyou. Nice response. And I follow what you are saying and where you are going. Just a couple (maybe) minor details: Jesus made certain that it was on a cross that he was crucified, as opposed to being stoned or anything else...otherwise he…
March 6
..."so many churches,...so many religions" This exemplifies the will of man, but not the will of God. I like your comments on time. And it may also only be an illusion that time is an illusion. Isn't that also possible?
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Well spoken, Kernel. And I don't believe you have missed anything.
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What religion, if any, do you adhere to?
christian
At least 3 subjects I am interested in.
chemistry, religion, creation, gardening (esp plants uncommon for here)

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survival of the kindest

This is a somewhat interesting twist of the evolutionary scenario of "survival of the fittest".

"Researchers at the University of California, Berkeley, are challenging long-held beliefs that human beings are wired to be selfish. In a wide range of studies, social scientists are amassing a growing body of evidence to show we are evolving to become more compassionate and collaborative in our quest to survive and thrive." ...The new science of altruism.

Anwar, Y. (2009, December 8) PhysOrg., or a… Continue

Posted on January 18, 2010 at 10:43am — 11 Comments

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an excerpt from http:esciencenews.com/articles/2009.04/30/new.sequences.hadrosaur.dinosaur.confirm.anc...

"Ancient protein dating back 80 million years to the Cretaceous geologic period has been preserved in bone fragments and soft tissues of a hadrosaur, or duck-billed dinosaur, according to a study in May 1 issue of Science.....

"With this new paper, we hoped to show that our T. rex discovery was not a unique occurrence," notes Asara, who is also an instructor in Pathology at Harvard Medical School. "This is the 2nd dinosaur species we've examined and helps verify that our first discovery was not… Continue

Posted on June 7, 2009 at 4:56am — 1 Comment

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evolutionary trees unraveling?

Evolutionary biologists Andrea Feller and S Blair Hedges compared the DNA sequences of 4 mitochondrial genes, and found a sister-group relationship of salamanders and caecilians, with frogs as the outgroup. (1998, Mol. evidence for the early history of living amphibians, Molecular Phulogenetics and Evolution. 9 (3):509-516.) This contradicts the pairing of frogs and salamander, based on their similarly amphibian life cycles. (Benton, MJ, 2005, Vertebrate Paleontology, 104) Olivier Rieppel has fo… Continue

Posted on May 10, 2009 at 12:58pm — 3 Comments

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deficient evolutionary ancestors

Smart crows seem to be able to use causal reasoning to solve a problem, something that has never been documented in chimps, report researchers from the University of Auckland.

Three New Caledonian crows successfully solved the "table-trap" problem presented to them, ie. they had to retrieve food from a set-up where failure meant losing the food down a trap-hole in a wooden table. The crows succeeded even when the equipment was modified. Apes that had been presented with the same problem failed.… Continue

Posted on March 15, 2009 at 10:08am — 2 Comments

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At 6:54am on March 4, 2010, The Kernel said…
Hi Doug, Thanks for your comment. It amazes me how we can all sit in our own spiritual corners and look across at others in the room and claim they are all wrong and that "my" religion is the only true religion and that if I can persuade you to join "my" religion that this is good and somehow will increase my chances at entering the gates of heaven. David's blurb, criticized "Christian Sects" when, in fact, he is clearly a member of one. . . . Towards the end of the drama, the branches of the tree split into even smaller branches, trigs, sects and 'isms. We must understand the times we live in.
Cheers.
At 12:25pm on February 22, 2010, The Kernel gave doug a gift
Doug, you are too kind.
At 11:18am on October 30, 2009, Jeff H said…
Have a blessed birthday and a excellent year!

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At 8:02pm on October 29, 2009, doone said…
Happy birthday - I hope that you stay as young as the Earth!
At 6:40pm on October 27, 2009, Cheryl Whitestone said…
Thank You
At 2:56pm on September 4, 2009, nashwanalganem said…
Hey my dear friend doug ..

Thanks for reading the links . and for your reply ,

dear doug ,

In Islam, the key to salvation is the belief in and
worship of the One True, Unique and Perfect God and
obedience to His commandments, the same message brought by
all Prophets. Islam preaches that a person must work
righteousness and avoid sin to attain Paradise, and that
if one sins, that they seek repentance for it from their
heart. Through this and the Mercy and Grace of God, they
will enter Paradise. Islam does not deem that all those
before the advent of Muhammad are doomed to Hell, but
rather that each nation was sent a prophet by the same One
God, and it was upon them to follow His commandments.
Those who have not heard of the message are not held
liable to follow Islam, and God will deal with them with
His Perfect Justice on the Day of Judgment. Infants and
children of both Muslims and disbelievers alike are in
enjoyment in Paradise upon death. Due to the infinite
Justice of God:

“No one laden with burdens can bear another’s burden. And
We never punish (people) until We have sent (to them) a
Messenger (to give warning).” (Quran 17:15)
There are many verses in the Qur’an and sayings of the
Prophet -peace be upon him- on the love, mercy and
forgiveness of Allah. In one of the prayers that the
Prophet taught, he said, “O Allah, You are most Forgiving
One, You love to forgive, so forgive me.”(reported by al-
Trimidhi and Ibn Majah). We need Allah’s mercy and
forgiveness all the time. It is wrong to assume at any
time that one will find eternal salvation without the
forgiveness of Allah.

Just as it is important to believe in the mercy and
forgiveness of Allah, it is also necessary to base human
relations on forgiveness. We cannot expect Allah’s
forgiveness unless we also forgive those who do wrong to
us. Forgiving each other, even forgiving one’s enemies is
one of the most important Islamic teaching. In the Qur’an
Allah has described the Believers as “those who avoid
major sins and acts of indecencies and when they are angry
they forgive.” (al-Shura 42:37) Later in the same Surah
Allah says, “The reward of the evil is the evil thereof,
but whosoever forgives and makes amends, his reward is
upon Allah.” (al-Shura 42:40) In another place the Qur’an
says, “If you punish, then punish with the like of that
wherewith you were afflicted. But if you endure patiently,
indeed it is better for the patient. Endure you patiently.
Your patience is not except through the help of Allah (al
-Nahl 16:126-127)
In one Hadith the Prophet -peace be upon him- said that
Allah has commanded him about nine things. One of them he
mentioned was “that I forgive those who do wrong to me.”

My dear friend doug , this is the concept of salavation
and forgivness in islam ,

Nowhere in the four gospels did Jesus explicitly state
that he would die to save mankind from sin. When
approached by a man who asked what he could do to gain
eternal life, Jesus told him to keep the Commandments
(Mat. 19: 16,17); in other words, to obey God's Law. To a
similar question put to him by a lawyer, as recorded in
the gospel of Luke, Jesus told him to love God and his
fellow man (Luke 10:25-28).

The role of Jesus is made clear in the Quran where God
says: "Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a
Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away
before him...see how God doth make His Signs clear to
them, yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the
truth" (5:75).
The mission of Jesus was not, therefore, to set up a new
method of achieving salvation, much less the founding of a
new system of belief; as even the Bible points out, Jesus
sought only to take the Jews from their emphasis on ritual
back to that of righteousness (Mat. 6:1-8).

Despite its prominent place in Christianity, the notion of
an "original sin" is not found among the teachings of any
prophet, Jesus included. In the Old Testament, God says:
"...the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father,
neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son"
(Ez.18:20-22). Personal responsibility is also stressed in
the Qur'an where God says: "...no bearer of burdens can
bear the burden of another...man can have nothing but what
he strives for" (53:38,39).


Since God is Almighty, He doesn't need the charade
concocted by Christians in order to forgive man. In the
Qur'an, God says we are all created in a state of goodness
(30:30); He has not burdened man with any "original sin",
having forgiven Adam and Eve (2:36-38; 7:23,24) as He
forgives us (11:90; 39:53-56).

As we are all personally responsible for our actions
(2:286; 6:164) there is no need for a humanly concocted
savior in Islam; salvation comes from God alone (28:67).

Thus did Islam seek to restore the true meaning to
monotheism, for in the Qur'an God asks: "Who can be better
in religion than one who submits his whole self to God,
does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in
faith?" (4:125; 41:33).

With his very salvation at stake here, the Christian
should take a closer look at what he believes in and why.
God says in the Qur'an: "O People of the Book! Commit no
excesses in your religion, nor say of God aught but the
truth. Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, was no more than a
Messenger of God...for God is One God; glory be to Him:
far exalted is He above having a son. To him belong all
things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a
Disposer of Affairs." (4:171).

My christian Friend, here is a Message that Allah Almighty
wants you to read:
"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)!
Come to common terms as between us and you: That we
worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with
Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and
patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say
ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing
to Allah's Will).' (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"
At 2:43pm on September 3, 2009, nashwanalganem said…
Hello my dear friend doug ,

Thanks for your comment in my blog ..

I advice you to read the holy quran to know more about the teachings of islam ..

Plz visit this site

http://www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/

with reference to salavation in islam ..::>>>

You can read about concept of salvation in islam in thses links ..

Salvation in Islam

http://www.islamawareness.net/Salvation/salvation1.html

Forgiveness in Islam

http://www.islamawareness.net/Salvat...rgiveness.html

Revelation and Salvation Towards an Islamic View Of History

http://www.al-islam.org/al-serat/rev-salv.htm

many thanks for your visit and comment in my blog ..

May allah bless you ..
At 3:51am on May 5, 2009, BastetAsshur said…
Hi. What branch of Christianity do you have faith in? I'm not 100% knowledgeable about any branches of the Christian faith but know a little about some differences between them.
At 6:43am on May 4, 2009, BastetAsshur said…
I understand why people can have strong opinions. There's a saying, I don't remember the exact words but it goes something like; if you want to get to quickly know someone well enough to love or hate them raise the subject of religion or politics.
 
 

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BIll, I got so excited when you started to post about nature and here we are on the body/mind duality I completely lost perspective and tried to shoehorn it and that was completely stupid on my part. I have strong views on this and i need to keep th…
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Doug I like your last paragraph. I'm a true lover of the natural world, it includes my field of work. And I am the only person in my community of 9000 with half my front yard with 50+ tall grass prairie plants from seed in my work place. They have b…
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I think sweetguy, when we talk about experience and we drift off of that and to that is where the problem is that I have come to realize. So you get one part of a larger picture of where I am coming from as well. That is the limitations of this form…
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Kernel, I mean to state that this is largely the arena that higher education has slowly entrenched intself in. And this has now also become the same arena that "lower" education has also joined. Open mindedness is what education theoretically aimed…
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Good comment sweetguy, there are a lot of really good books out there. It does appear our current technology is bring humanity closer to the center of our puzzle rather than the out side fringes, the true picture will begin to emerge. I am really th…
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So here is my gravestone to this format and to the talk about enthusiasm.This is no chit chat, mr. Thurman. . Enthusiasm may be like a syren in your ears all the time, and a guy with this inner syren is the guy who will neither listen to anybody, no…
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Might I suggest we adjourn this discussion for a moment and move to a more regular forum format where comments can be attached to other comments. IT may be possible, before wrapping up here, to somehow summarize what has come out of this discussion…
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So take the sticks to set the rhythm, John. You're good at that.
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I just read the how to make our ideas clear. I wasn't sure where I wasn't clear exactly my fault I suppose. I ask for facts and I guess that isn't clear my mistake.
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ok ok I will knock it off. i like to tweak people a bit> Sweet I am just playing a bit here you don't know me but i'll rift off a bit just to spark a thought, so take me with a grain of salt ok. although i do like to stick to facts so if we can talk…
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David, knock it off for awhile. We will get to you and your individual agendas in a minute. Right now it is important to build a collective agenda. We know you are American and born to lead but for God's sake man stop provoking reactions to meet a p…
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