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You remember Clinton getting a hard time by right wing nuts about wearing a kipa -- or was it Gore? Well guess what, Jesus was a _____ . : )
January 13
I should add they were the ones doing the whispering since they did not want a discrimination lawsuit on their hands (remember I was an employee.) So there was no clarity for me regarding whether I should convert or whether I would want to, etc. It…
January 13
No whispering but there was encouragement to convert -- which baffles me now since I've read about how Jews believe themselves to be (by genes not by choice) chosen and they have "friends" who are not but are friends and are part of their plan. I fo…
January 13
This reads like you are telling a secret Yoda, were you whispering by any chance? I believe the kabbalah Qabbalah is very standard Judaisim and has its roots in antiquity. Fascinating subject. Always remember to get a full understanding of any funde…
January 13
p.s. they are open to converts I think. I am not sure how that pans out with "chosen one," but I think it depends on the sect. I was working in a middle sect -- the sect that is halfway between conservative and liberal. There are 3 major divisions i…
January 12
In retrospect it is a good Jewish joke that the Principal left the Catholic behind to call the parents, but it was because I was a man and I didn't have a regular classroom and I didn't mind being the one assigned that horrible task (not afraid of a…
January 12
Perhaps a parable is in order? When I worked at a Jewish day school, (although being raised Catholic,) teaching K-6 computer lab, when we had a bomb threat I was asked to call the parents while the evacuation was taking place, for the parents to pic…
January 12
Ali, I couldn't agree more. "Tribalism is a facet of the human condition that has the potential to reveal human inequity at its most horrific."
January 12
Ali, calm down, and what the hell are you on about: "To awaken is to discover the ability to seek input as Short Circuit Number 5 did"? Are you a fellow doctor in crisis (or something like that)?
January 12
Golly - an absolutist - how'd I achieve that? You must enlighten me please. Bewildered is what I now am. It takes incredible discipline not to identify oneself first with the body, then the family, then the social order (tribe) and etc. If we remain…
January 12
Wow! Hold your horses there Ali, 'cause your coming across like an 'absolutist' of which I'm sure in your heart of hearts you're genuinely not. By the way, what's ED? As I'm from Cambridgeshire England.
January 12
Thanks for pointing that out - written following a busy 8 hrs in E.D. Not that I'm incapable of making foolish generalisations under perfect circumstances! Tribalism is a facet of the human condition that has the potential to reveal human inequity a…
January 12
Ali, you actually said "I have no idea why any negative comment about Jews would be considered hate speech", which was unfortunately taken as a generalisational remark. Though you clearly did counterbalance it with your following statements, which n…
January 12
Saying that Gypsies and Jews CAUSED their death from the Naxi's is the epitome of hate speech: "type of speech which is used to deliberately offend an individual; or racial, ethnic, religious or other group. Such speech generally seeks to condemn o…
January 12
I have no idea why any negative comment about Jews would be considered hate speech. I do know whenever I read Jewish History it is the most appalling testimony of how diseased the human psyche can be. To target a people as the Jews have been targete…
January 12
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What religion, if any, do you adhere to?
SIAUV
At least 3 subjects I am interested in.
Christianity
Buddhism
Judaism
Physics
Electronics
Computer hardware/software
"Psycho-programming"
Psychology
Social construction
Constitutional law
Group dynamics
At least 3 subjects I am knowledgable in.
Intelligence Design (system kind, not Biblical kind)
Psychology
Metaphysics
My Mythos -
Physical Life
"Civility is highly subjective. " -- Until it is brought into the light.

All belief is subjective, UNTIL light is shone upon it so as to fully see what it is and isn't.

In truly full light, nothing is subjective any longer.

The dark night of knowing nothing gives way to the early realization that some things can be known. The early light gives way to the increase of more and more being clear and known. The clarity of the noonday Sun gives way to the even-ing of doubt in what was known. The pervading doubt gives way to complete darkness of another time of suspicion that nothing can be certain. Guided only by the orb and dim reflection of true light, life continues through shadows and suspicions in fear of the weary-wolf and the vamp.

This is reflected in Science as the electromagnetic wave. The electric field rises to a height but in doing so, it created a field of "magic-netism" which draws it back down and even to the opposite of what it had represented. But in doing so, it again produces a "magic-netism" that forces it to rise again into its former self.

The cycle from the light to the dark could be endless, but why make it so? Is there a good rational reason?

I am as the proton (masculine), heavy, firm, and bright positively charge. The subjective and the magical is as the electron (feminine), airy, soft, and dim negatively charged. In my day, I was smothered and even hidden by mystery and suspicion even though nothing was of mystery to me nor intentionally hidden.

I was stable. I was in the light yet not seen. Suspected yet not guilty. My electrons were striped from me by stronger environmental persuasion.

But the proton cannot be made to become negative even when barren. Its charge is even more revealed. Alone, in my presence all things are brought to the positive. The dark negative can never be a part of me.

Just take care, lightening has nothing over plasma.
Pose a question to the RG community?
What makes you think that you know how to do this? :)

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What is the current year and what year did World War II End?
2009 1945

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Defining Hate Speech

It seems interesting that anything at all can be said specifically against Christians in even the most vile and crude manner and yet if someone merely mentions the vague possibility of the Jewish faith being in err, it is "hate speech" regardless of the manner in which it was given.

Why is that?

Posted on December 26, 2009 at 5:01pm — 46 Comments

James S Saint

Buddhistic Enlightenment

So that you reach enlightenment and begin to learn and live,

.--> Slow down your environment
| So that you can slow down your actions
| So that you can slow down your thoughts
| So that you can decrease confusion
| So that you can increase accuracy of your thoughts
| So that you can increase effectiveness of your actions
| So that you can you can slow down your world
^--‘

When you can see clearly that day after day, year after year, truly nothing is changing, you have reached Nirvana and ar… Continue

Posted on December 18, 2009 at 11:30pm —

James S Saint

Need - The Cause of Good and Bad - Blindness and Clarity

Thesis;
Good is determined by the need. Without need, there can be no good. Need is the problem and good is what leads to the solution of the problem. Good is relative to actual need. And clarity of need is good for all.

Defining Good
In any endeavor, whatever is seen to lead to fulfilling the task without creating greater problems, is perceived as good. If cooking is the endeavor, whatever helps to get the cooking done, as long as it doesn’t take too much away from a different ne… Continue

Posted on December 18, 2009 at 2:00am — 2 Comments

James S Saint

First Cause - Did You Mean Cause or BEcause?

There is a very common misunderstanding that a "cause" is something that preceded in time.

A cause is a situation. "What causes a leaf to appear green?" "What is the cause for this big box not fitting into that small box?"

A situation can cause an effect of appearance, size, or arrangement and is the result of static logic. Or it CAN also cause a change in the situation, a temporal cause. Due to the situation, an imbalance yields a motion, a change.

What is referred to as the "First Cause" co… Continue

Posted on December 15, 2009 at 12:00am — 36 Comments

James S Saint

The Philosopher Knows and Saving Mankind

Most people do not believe that Mankind needs saving, but that is a large part of why he actually does. He is not responding to actual threats because he is not interested. He is not interested because he does not believe any are real. He knows that he has created illusions of threats so as to spur interest in the directions of his interest and thus believes all threats are but reflections of his own design. Yet the real threats go unattended.

There is one thing that you can do to literally sav… Continue

Posted on December 11, 2009 at 8:30pm —

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At 4:41am on November 28, 2009, Sidian M.S. Jones said…
Check out the Considering Using a Wiki topic again. I updated the image. I know we discussed the possible pitfalls of using a wiki, but with MediaWiki we can hire programmers to put in any features we need, plus there are thousands of ready made plugins that do anything you can imagine.
At 6:24pm on August 30, 2009, Rachel Marie McDonnell said…
To answer your question...Some ppl take Wicca to be all about casting spells and the like, and in that case I don't practice, I study. Wicca's been the only thing that held to my beliefs instead of telling me what to believe. nature based, compassion based. Do unto others, harm none... Wicca covers a very broad spectrum. I go no father than saying I'm a solitary eclectic; I'm not initiated, never met a coven, but I've been studying for about 12 years, on and off. I have my own belief system and Wicca fits that very comfortably, while leaving me much room to grow and explore. Such as finding my way here... which all started with a weird dream prompting me to look up the word "Kashi" (not the cereal stuff).
At 9:59pm on August 27, 2009, The Kernel said…
Hey James, Check this out when you have a moment.

http://fora.tv/2009/08/14/Karen_Armstrong_Charter_for_Compassion#fullprogram
At 1:21pm on July 21, 2009, Sidian M.S. Jones said…
A little more regarding our conversation yesterday on getting RG up to snuff. Starting with "just a great idea" can be highly beneficial, and a great example of this is the MyMythos project, which also pretty much has no product, but is now being funded by a very successful group.

If the funded projects for MyMythos do well, then we'll do more and the MyMythos empire will begin to take root. Thus, success.
At 9:51am on July 12, 2009, onequbit said…
Of course, many things said here can be misinterpreted. Human language has it's limits, and religion is where those limits affect us the most. I think Religion 2.0 should include among other things an awareness of the limitation of language to define spirituality and expressing it in a religion. If the definition and expression can be adopted by anyone without contradictions or conflicts, I would call that a "true religion". I don't advocate proselytism, yet somehow I feel that a proper education would lead individuals down the path we are forging. On the other hand, some would argue all of this kind of talk is merely a pipe-dream and we are only stroking our own spirtual egos. I for one am curious to see where it goes.
At 5:32pm on July 7, 2009, Sidian M.S. Jones said…
Comment in chat I made after you left:

You make such extravagant claims about the failure of others in the field, then present your cure, then are unwilling to demonstrate it.

I think this comment is quite relevant. If you believe in the debate model so much, why shouldn't be able to play it out a little yourself, gather the results perfect or not, and display the results so people can see what you're getting at?

I don't see why this would be an extravagant proposition.
If you can show us a general idea where the model is heading then we can all see the big picture that you seem to see.
At 1:25am on July 3, 2009, Marshall Banana said…
I simply don't want to misrepresent myself, what about: "I was logically bested by James S Saint"?
At 6:37pm on July 2, 2009, Marshall Banana said…
As much as I'd like to, the consequence of my losing would be intolerable. I will respectfully decline :)
At 12:22pm on June 30, 2009, Marshall Banana said…
I guess the one's I'm most familar with are the Abrhamic Gods (Abraham by the way, was one of the WORST fathers lol).

It doesn't really matter what God though, as my argument would likely be the same ("God[s] is either bound by logic and has a clear ontology, or lacks logical structure and is therefore chaotic").
At 12:34pm on June 29, 2009, Marshall Banana said…
For example:

Debaters A and B argue over the existence of God, yet neither bother to define God. To say "the Judeo-Christian one" isn't enough, what about denomination. Domination also isn't enough, as God will still lack a clear ontology.

I love debating with my dad, he says "God is God" or "I am that I am", and I say "Green Eggs and Ham" :)
 
 

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On a lighter note, do all born again christians have two belly-buttons?
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The origins of the said 'sighs' are relative.
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Roman, You have call people who disagree with you fools, delusional, and worse; yet would teach me how to "get along"? and again ~sigh~
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Using the sword of truth like a blunt hammer only isolates.
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Jeff, I must ask myself why, as you say, people are worshiping science. Can they not find frameworks, mystery, hope and challenge in spirituality? Fortunately, it is not necessary that everyone descend into extreme addiction (vice) to develop profo…
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Yes David Bee, all potential sources of knowledge should be given an honest look however there are so many sources that it would take years to get through them all. I am suggesting that each one of us here is a potential sources of knowledge. For ex…
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Bee, enjoy your book.
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Given these "problems" with the Bible, if the God of the Bible is the God of reality (as I believe He is), I do not wonder at all about His reasons for bringing forth the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon is the anchor of my faith in Jesus Christ.…
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"without any possibility of appreciating its stories of actual greater underlying metaphoric meanings" Roman, Did Moses lifting serpant for Israel to look upon and be spared the death they were facing have anything to do with the lifting up of Chri…
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Jeff. anyone would be bewildered if others insisted they turn away from a profound personal experience. I hope you do not feel I or others are challenging the validity of your experience or belief. We did not come to RG to change each other - did we…
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The bible is a great book. Though not perfect by any means in its many years of attempted transliterations involving additions and edits, and as its historical development with its endless diversity of interpretations bares out, even to this day as…
23 hours ago
Goodmorning Kernal, Over a year ago there was a very strident debate between a mormon and I. It was ugly, and I learned from it. I mispoke earlier when I refered to this thread, I meant this topic. You'll note I haven't participated much. I don't w…
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Thanks Jeff, Glad to hear from you and thanks for sharing as you have. I'm not sure I understand your reference (9 hours ago) about bringing this thread back to life? Nevertheless. . . As for me being full of myself, I can see how you would say tha…
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Thanks Katinka. The book referral is appreciated.
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david thurman and Alison Parker are now friends
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Kernal, you're a might full of yourself there bud. I didn't bring this thread back to life, and have resisted jumping into another me vs. mormon debate. Just not worth the trouble. I guess I've grown up a little in my time on RG, even at 49 years.…
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Here is how I see it. We are spiritual beings having a mortal experience. Currently our physical body and our spirit body are inseparably connected until our physical body dies, when we will leave our physical body. I am unable to physically detect…
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I have been taught, and believe, that it is only with an open mind can one find the truth. I do not believe that there will be any conflict between scientific fact/truth and religious fact/truth, when all is known. Theories are not fact, but are par…
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