The Next Step for RG and Open Source Religion

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Permalink Reply by James S Saint on November 5, 2009 at 4:25pm

db, I'm not sure about Wordpress, but this version of Ning is very limiting. As is, we could never have the populous seen on many other web forums. If 20 people were trying to converse on this site, no one would be able to keep track of who had said what to whom without a great deal of struggle. That is counter productive for gaining a larger information input base (not to mention Sid's need for reimbursement).

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Permalink Reply by db on November 5, 2009 at 9:23pm

Is there an echo in here? Maybe it's just the way I present things.... they see I create a discussion and wonder what the heck is db doing now... well I create discussions for reasons that are for the future that I predict and then I bring them back to remind everyone on a current topic that I've already gone to lengths in creating a solution to something I predicted will be required due to performance measurements, tuning, statistics, real life user testing and development. With that said ..... I totally agree with you James.... because I've already created, tested and in some cases patented.... the ideas I receive from spirit... event though it made no sense during the "NOW" in the "PAST".... but does in the "NOW" of the "FUTURE". Remember all the real-time collaboration I tested and developed here on RG? Well there's one that may have flew over everyone's head and then picked up subconsciously to be echoed now..... see if this relates easily now without me going into detail....

Catch the WAVE

db

James S Saint said:

db, I'm not sure about Wordpress, but this version of Ning is very limiting. As is, we could never have the populous seen on many other web forums. If 20 people were trying to converse on this site, no one would be able to keep track of who had said what to whom without a great deal of struggle. That is counter productive for gaining a larger information input base (not to mention Sid's need for reimbursement).

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Permalink Reply by Jesse Atkins on November 7, 2009 at 4:14pm

being new to this whole thing, I'm gonna take it all in before really being too opinionative, but I will eventually. excited to a part of something different.


-Jesse

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Permalink Reply by Sidian M.S. Jones on November 20, 2009 at 3:07am

I really appreciate the offer Jim. Right now I'm using DreamHost and am quite happy with them. I would be a bit nervous to host on a more private basis with yourself or anyone else just because you never know what might happen with someone's server, but it's really nice to see anyone offering a hand in this.

Drupal has certainly been on my mind. Though like I say in my message to you, I need to know if they have a turn-key solution for social networking. In the meantime I'm heading for BuddyPress.

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Permalink Reply by db on November 25, 2009 at 10:27am

What ? Drupal... I would choose Joomla.... but then are we talking about a content management system that is a social network and at the same time developing TSC... which at this point...I'm discovering the real truth on what Sid is trying to accomplish and remember he's NOT a coder....so one would use something like LightandEasy..... what I'm trying to explain....Sid should not even be concerned with this technical know how... he should be concerned on the fact his idea that is 2 years old has lapsed to the point of degenerated Yoism. I understand Sid has a relatively new job in the graphics art industry to feed his family... but WE as members of RG must support dreams... daydreaming or nightdreaming.... the fact and utter bottom line is make something happen. This whole RG network is more of a self-actualization of your potential than anything else...Sid stepped up to bat like a redefine google for religion. He is just now realizing the technical aspects... the complications, the validity, etc. This is where he must hand off the things he does not want to do ...due to the urge overkill. Simple to me to the fact these things that are being posted... I've already done in the past and have moved beyond. So, again backleading and not hijacking where does it leave us ? Any comments? Should we add Spinvox to RG so we can get the verbal response from your cell phone to this post ? Come on folks... I run a web server on a slax OS on a USB flash pen drive stuck in the side of a laptop directed through dynamic DNS address translation of a URL that is paid for and registered. What is it that can be presented here on RG that I have not personally experienced? The only thing I have to deal with now is the actual intellectual property preserverance... and that's correct... I'm having another attorney look into the whole Ning crap of owning content under the TOS.... that really pisses me off... and has for some time.. and I alerted this fact a long time ago.... these associates that I have that accomodate my free will are getting a little peeved at me for not getting income for the things I do... remember I am an ordained minister... where to I get financial security that is not for profit... not non-profit with my time spent in regards to RG? I'm sure asking is a way to be blessed... ready for the next level?

db

Jim G said:

There are Drupal specialty hosts linked from the drupal.org web site Sidian. I would imagine they have some canned solutions put together for what you need. I haven't looked at their offerings. Drupal has 2,000 modules available at this time! I don't know if they are all freebie open source modules or not.

As far as not hosting with me, it's just as well as I have plenty of stuff on my plate.

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Permalink Reply by Sidian M.S. Jones on November 26, 2009 at 4:31am

I'm glad to see people passionate about the outcome of our network, but I'm going to sum up your concerns about any perceived "responsibility" of mine regarding these sites: I am one person. One person with a full time graphic design job; college; daughter; and girlfriend....and this huge OSR project.

If I had access to one or two highly competent and willing people to help design, maintain, moderate, market, monetize, etc, etc, etc; I would take them. But those positions take not just willingness but a pretty substantial set of knowledge and skills that not everyone has.

Now, I know you are familiar with servers and hosting and such, but you need to communicate a lot more clearly with me if you want to help. I posted a discussion some weeks ago specifically asking for help from anyone who knew how to install Wordpress or Wordpress MU or BuddyPress, but I don't remember anyone stepping up and saying "I can.". I remember you suggested a few other platforms but I wasn't that interested because they required code knowledge.

And while The Source Code project is still a ways off, we can at least establish our community on a platform with practically no bounds and in which our posts belong to us. Really these benefits are just the tip of the iceberg.

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Permalink Reply by Sidian M.S. Jones on November 27, 2009 at 3:30am

Overlap Pages: Cool idea Jim. I could see that becoming a widely used resource even by those not associated with OSR.

The easiest way to get a grip of what you were first asking regarding what Religion 2.0 is, is to read the What Is Open Source Religion link on the front page. Perhaps you already have, I'm not sure.

But basically the idea comes down to God = Reality, and Science = Study of Reality, also many scientific laws and ideas have spiritual impact (quantum entanglement), so why not compile an evolving directory of scientific laws, theories, and hypotheses which we feel have spiritual impact?
Also linking them together in such a way so that you can follow trains of thought.
And perhaps integrating a method of scoring or establishing credibility or "logical stability" of the posts.

Example of train of though linking...
Quantum Entanglement (things can become linked over great distance) > Possible starting point for the study of Psi Phenomena
Also related is the fact that our bodie's molecules have existed since the dawn of time, thus providing ample opportunity for everything in the universe to become entangled.

Jim, also please see my Wiki post about this.

Btw, I just found out there is now WPMU MediaWiki integration support!
My main issue here is that something like MediaWiki is so rigid and texty(or maybe that's just Wikipedia's version?). I'd like our compendium to be a bit more media rich (photos, videos, etc).

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Permalink Reply by Sidian M.S. Jones on November 27, 2009 at 2:04pm

Comparative religion is a topic that has certainly been brought up here before, but I had concluded the same as you, that comparative religion, and Open Source Religion are really two totally different things. And yes, we do aim to erect a new religion here, but not one that stands alone from others, but that envelops them.

I could have swore opensourcereligion.net was already taken! I should have grabbed it when I could. That's alright though, at least I know who's got it :) Take good care of it and let me know if/when you are no longer going to hold on to it. Since I've already got the .org, and going for the .com, I'd really like to secure the third as well.

I like your idea for your site. But you might want to do a few Googlings on "comparative religion" to see if it isn't already being done on a large scale. It seems there is a decent chance it may be.

Don't worry about me and Wordpress, I've actually gotten it down really well now. It's MediaWiki I'm having trouble with now (despite DreamHost's One-Click Installs).

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Permalink Reply by db on November 27, 2009 at 2:58pm

I can.... thanks Jim for putting forth your energy.. it's well received.... This is the NEXT STEP..... we have to have what is called a CONFERENCE CALL.....we can do it over the phone ... over the internet VOIP... wherever or whatever the technology used to get this moving. Do you want me to set up this event? I can do that with a variety of tools.... I would choose USTREAM at this point... because it works in regards to collaboration and retaining the conference call for an archive to revert to as the rules and foundation are laid down. We all have obligations and responsibilities, we must adhere to the fact what we are creating and developing reinforces those obligations and responsibilities.

db

Jim G said:

I found another domain name that doesn't say open source in it Sid, that I will use for my site, which was available and I registered, so yes you can have the opensourcereligion.net . I'll email you personally on how to access the domain name record under my account and how we can switch ownership of the domain name.

There is a lot of comparitive religion Sid but apparently not in the simple format I envision.

Jim

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Permalink Reply by Sidian M.S. Jones on November 27, 2009 at 6:11pm

Jim that is very generous of you. I'd be happy to receive the domain name. Normally I would never, but OSR is something I'm very passionate about and am always doing everything I can for it to succeed.
I'll message you my contact information.

Jim G said:

I found another domain name that doesn't say open source in it Sid, that I will use for my site, which was available and I registered, so yes you can have the opensourcereligion.net . I'll email you personally on how to access the domain name record under my account and how we can switch ownership of the domain name.

There is a lot of comparitive religion Sid but apparently not in the simple format I envision.

Jim

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Permalink Reply by db on November 27, 2009 at 6:28pm

Oh I love this Sid.... because I CAN...but you do not have TRUST in me... it's not that I want the job so bad I'm jealous and would get on my knees and beg... the fact IS... it's ALREADY DONE !!!


you still don't get it......

BTW.... there was someone that wanted to join RG... a very integral person....for some reason you did not accept them....you would have had 10 g's of financial backing....







Sidian M.S. Jones said:

Jim that is very generous of you. I'd be happy to receive the domain name. Normally I would never, but OSR is something I'm very passionate about and am always doing everything I can for it to succeed.
I'll message you my contact information.

Jim G said:

I found another domain name that doesn't say open source in it Sid, that I will use for my site, which was available and I registered, so yes you can have the opensourcereligion.net . I'll email you personally on how to access the domain name record under my account and how we can switch ownership of the domain name.

There is a lot of comparitive religion Sid but apparently not in the simple format I envision.

Jim

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Permalink Reply by Sidian M.S. Jones on November 27, 2009 at 6:48pm

Db, do you ever say anything true or even coherent?

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