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The First Principles: The Bedrock of Logic and Rational Thought

The First Principles: The Bedrock of Logic and Rational Thought

Source: http://atheism-analyzed.blogspot.com/2008/07/first-principles-bedrock-of-logic-and.html

Since Rational thought requires valid logical propositions, and logic is based on the presupposition of universal truth in the form of the First Principles, it is necessary to fully understand what these principles entail and their impact. This section will list and then discuss the basic principles that make Rational thought possible and intelligible.

The First Principles can be categorized as follows:

1. The Intuitive Principles.
These principles, while not provable, are known to be valid intuitively.

a. Identity. If it is true, then it is true; if it exists, then it exists.

b. Non-Contradiction. If it is true, then it cannot be false; if it exists, it cannot NOT exist.

c. Excluded Middle. A (singular, unity) concept cannot be somewhat true and somewhat false; a (singular, unity) thing cannot somewhat exist and somewhat not exist.

d. Cause and effect. Every effect has a cause that is both necessary and sufficient.

e. Cogito (Descartes). Because I doubt my own doubt, it is true that I think; because I think (truth), I must exist (fact).

2. The Probabilistic Principles.
These Principles seem to encompass both truth and existence.

a. The Immutability of math throughout the universe.

b. The Immutability of physical law throughout the universe.

c. The mutability of all levels of verifiability (Godel's laws).

3. The Presuppositional Principles.
These principles are declared either as empirical constraints, or as part of a worldview.

a. No form of reality exists that cannot be either observed and measured directly or by the use of instrumentation.

b. No Singularities (temporary violations) exist in the physical laws of the universe.


4. The Principle of Rational Thought; Skepticism; and Rational Deniability

These two principles demonstrate the philosophical tension between the Rational Empiricists and the Anti-Rationalists.

a. No premise should be accepted without evidence.

( This is the Principle of Rational Thought, and the basis for “skepticism”: Hume, Russell, Ayer)

b. Existence of evidence via intuition is denied.

(This is the basis for Anti-Rationalism: Nietzsche)(Notice that deniability is declared true as a rational premise, which premise requires the intuition of its truth; so intuition is denied via the use of intuition, which is a paradoxical process to Rationalists – but not to Anti-Rationalists who deny that paradox exists).

5. The Principles of Evidence

Evidence is demanded by Rationalists and Skeptics. Anti-Rationalists deny all basis for evidence, except (paradoxically) Darwinism; Anti-Rationalists also deny paradox, having denied the First Principles due to their intuitive basis. So the following principles are Rational principles only, and are not necessarily accepted by the Anti-Rationalists.

a. All evidence ultimately devolves to the First Principles and is therefore intuitively based.

b. “Universals” can be assumed valid without proof. These include Mathematics, Logic, and Language (a syllogistic form of logic deriving from the First Principle of Cause and Effect). (Notice that this is an intuited principle).

c. Empirical evidence:


i. Physical; Sensate only: Therefore, measurable.

ii. Local (inductive)

iii. Repeatable (deductive)

iv. Universality cannot be proven so must be assumed (intuited, based upon probability, which can be increased by numerous replications of tests)

v. Validity is probabilistic only (intuited, based upon statistical probability, which can be increased by numerous replications of tests)

vi. Assumes the validity of the Presuppositional Principles, # 3 above.

vii. Valid Empirical evidence can be falsified, but has not been. (Popper).



Second Level Effects of the First Principles

a. If the First Principles are true, it follows that truth exists.

b. If truth exists, then falseness also exists.

c. If falseness exists, then skepticism is justified.

d. However, if the First Principles are true, then intuition of truth is assumed a valid technique; therefore, skepticism is neither absolute nor is it immune to argument.

e. If the First Principles are NOT true, then any and every argument is not based on rational precepts, and skepticism becomes (1) absolute, and (2) Anti-Rational.

f. If Principle 4a, above, (No premise should be accepted without evidence) is valid, then ethical considerations can be intuited as First Principles. This is because Principle 4a expresses an “ought” imperative, which is an ethical statement, and which is considered to be valid for the foundation of Naturalism, and thus is considered to be a universal truth. It is intuited, and cannot be proven by itself, by empiricism, by Naturalism, or by Materialism. Thus the basis for Naturalism and Materialism (worldviews) as well as empiricism (a discipline) are based upon an intuited ethical value.

g. Because Naturalism, Materialism and empiricism are all based upon an intuited ethical value, then intuited ethical values exist, and can be valid (true).

h. Because intuited ethical values are seen to exist, then intuition exists, ethics exists, and values exist – outside and beyond the constraints and limits of Naturalism, Materialism and Empiricism; also transcendence is proven to be a valid source of both information and ethical value statements. I.e., Transcendence exists and can be valid.

Empiricism, Naturalism and Materialism
Because the “ought imperative” of Principle 4a is the necessary and sufficient principle upon which Naturalism and Materialism are based, it is easily shown that the transcendent nature of the underlying foundation of these concepts produces a contradiction that violates the anti-transcendent worldviews themselves.

In other words, Naturalism and Materialism declare that intuition and other transcendences cannot exist, yet the basis for Naturalism and Materialism is itself necessarily intuitive and transcendent.

So Naturalism and Materialism deny their own foundational validity, and thus are paradoxical (violate the Principle of Non-Contradiction), and so are neither coherent nor valid.

This paradox is fatal, rationally speaking, for Naturalism and Materialism, but not for Empiricism, because Empiricism has voluntarily chosen to limit its range of investigation, and, in theory any way, does not say anything at all about transcendences or about value systems, except that they are out of the range of the testability and verification constraints placed upon Empirical processes. (Empiricism is a process, not a worldview or value system).

In this manner Empiricism retains its validity as a process for obtaining information about physical reality. Naturalism and Materialism are seen to be invalid, non-coherent worldviews, spun off from Empiricism, but no longer identical to it.

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Note the complete lack of definition. - evidence of presumption, the very seed of error.

He was doing ok with that for a while, but as usual, they get tired and lazy before they get to the conclusion. But at least he tried.

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Jeff this correspondence theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correspondence_theory_of_truth

There is no such thing as pure rational thought. That thought is an irrational thought in and of itself. There are steps that in which we can be rational inside frameworks. Those limited frameworks are very true. I build houses, laws of physics applies, step by step processes apply. Logic is always true in reference to it's framework. Logic is never true when it reaches outside it's framework. Logic always has a limited framework in which it works. To perceive otherwise is well nutty. This above description is true, in side a limited framework and I might say that Godel's incompletness theorm was an attack on this as being a valid outside it's limited framework. So the next time you see such nonsense or people start to go down this, you don't need to argue for your view on God you can always ask, "In what context". If it's in it's own context such as it's presented above that is self referencing circular. True but only true in relationship to itself. You hold the higher ground on that point alone always.There is an inherit limitation to the structure by its own self description. I might say Jeff, when arguing it's interesting to aske where emotions come into play in regards to logic with people.Logic in and of itself is limited, not unlimited, to say it's unlimited by itself is to then see logic that is a self referencing system that is looped onto itself, That is biological Autism/aspergers on a spectrum of the human brain, or someone that really doesn't think very logically or is incapable of understanding the role of emotions in logic itself. James surprised me a bit and had some nice insights on love that I didnt' think he had in him. He just hides them....LOL.

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"Logic is never true when it reaches outside it's framework."

That is why I find Scripture so interesting. I do believe God caused it to be written as it is, and no one has a more comprehensive framework the He.

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"There is no such thing as pure rational thought. That thought is an irrational thought in and of itself. There are steps that in which we can be rational inside frameworks."

I'd be interested in seeing the proof of that one.

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ditto

James S Saint said:
"There is no such thing as pure rational thought. That thought is an irrational thought in and of itself. There are steps that in which we can be rational inside frameworks."

I'd be interested in seeing the proof of that one.

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I have come to the same conclusion (see New Empiricism). As a scientist I got there by wondering whether a theory can ever be used to dismiss our experience (our observation). This is particularly important in neurophysiology where theory is being used to dismiss "mind" as an entity.

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